Mauritius, october 2, 1975 — morning walk

 

HIGHLIGHTS: Capitalism versus communism…grow to eat or grow to sell?—subsistence versus market-oriented production

 

Cyavana: The capitalists are so anxious for money that they exploit this tendency of the living entity to enjoy by tempting him. Every year they create some new way to entice him.

Prabhupäda: And taxation. And the taxation is divided among them. The tax is meant for public welfare. Instead of public welfare, they divide it amongst themselves and enjoy wine, women, motorcar and flesh. That’s all. This is going on. All this income tax—plundering process. This income tax means a plan how to take away everything from the actually earning members of the society. That is income tax. And that is divided amongst administrators. That’s all.

 

 

Cyavana: Here it is very prominent. The workers in the fields, they are barely making enough to live from day to day. But the planters who live in France, they are taking millions of rupees and living very comfortably.

 

Prabhupäda: Therefore Communism is coming. Go this way?

Cyavana: Is it this way? We can go this way. This way. Or better this way. Now he’s coming the other way.

Prabhupäda: (break) …create another danger. Just like airplane. It is comfortable. You can quickly go from one place to another. But as soon as on the plane, immediately your life is at risk. There is no certainty. So this is the way of material world. You create some comfort and you create some greater danger also. Side by side. It cannot be unhampered comfort. That is not possible. You create a motorcar—the same thing—you drive very speedy and you meet accident. Railway, the accident. There was no need. You produce your food locally and produce your milk. Then eat, drink, and live comfortably. Chant Hare Kåñëa. That is wanted. Make your life successful. Yad uttama-çloka-guëänuvarëanam. [SB 1.5.22]: “…Transcendental descriptions of the Lord, who is defined in choice poetry.”] And if you have got education, then describe the glories of the Lord by your scientific and educational qualification. (break) The rain is coming. We can go this way. Yad uttama-çloka-guëänuvarëanam. (break)

 

Prabhupäda: Then… Then you are useless. Because you cannot go to the ultimate point of education, therefore your education is useless.

Puñöa Kåñëa: But then they will ask, “You will come and bring me food?”

Prabhupäda: Yes, I will give you food. Food is there. You are not creating food. It is… From the earth it is grown.

Brahmänanda: But we have to work very hard; otherwise we won’t get money for buying food.

Prabhupäda: No. You work a very slight three months in a year and get all food. Food is there; milk is there; land is there. You have to work…

Cyavana: That is their propaganda. (break)

Prabhupäda: There was no… We don’t require all these things because we know others are victims. They pay for it. And they work hard for the money and pay to work. That’s all. Our men never touch this Coca-Cola and cigarette, but others, they are mad after it.

 

Brahmänanda: They say they have to work so hard to get food, but actually they are working hard for this.

Prabhupäda: He’ll get food. Food they can grow very easily, but they… Anartha. This is called anartha. Anartha means unnecessarily. Ädau çraddh tata sädhu-saìgo ’tha bhajana-kriy tato ’nartha-nivåtti syät. So anartha-nivåtti civilization, not anartha increasing. Civilization means anartha-nivåtti syät because we are complicated by the anarthas, unwanted things. (break) …this way there is bulls, horses for transport. But what is the use of these big, big motorbuses and acquire petrol, machine, factory, so many things? But nature’s way there is already means of transport. The horses are there. The bulls are there. But they will eat them, and they will create these motor big, big buses and then petrol, then fight…

 

Prabhupäda: Accha bole tomare lagdha, suta jagat murare.(?) You give me that chewra and milk and banana, nothing else. (break) …and so much useless labor for growing tea, that will be stopped. You can grow food. (break) You drink tea, you’ll require sugar. Then unnecessarily producing so much sugarcane. And the by-product of sugarcane, molasses, you’ll have to utilize. Then produce wine, liquor. One after another.

Indian man: But our country depends upon sugar.

Prabhupäda: No, that is mistake. Your country, you can produce your own food. That’s all. Why you should depend? You produce food grains. You produce milk. Then your all necessities is supplied. Why should you produce unnecessarily?

Brahmänanda: Here they use powdered milk because they have no cows.

 

Prabhupäda: Just see. And here even by this sugarcane, what is called? Upper part? This part?

Indian man: We call it ag.(?)

Prabhupäda: Ag, yes. You can maintain thousand of cows.

Indian man: But that’s actually best food, you know. In Punjab they use that. They store it for a year.

Prabhupäda: But you do not know how to be happy.

 

Indian man: Even this land, here they are producing sugarcane. So that is strong for wheat. They can grow plenty of wheat.

Prabhupäda: Oh, yes. Everything can be grown.

Cyavana: If sugarcane will grow, anything will grow. It’s very fertile.

Indian man: Because they don’t want to do anything, they simply plant the sugarcane and then they want rest for few months, simply getting money and taking and drinking.

Prabhupäda: Yes.

 

Indian man: No work. (break)

Prabhupäda: …getting rice, wheat from outside, they can charge any price because the price of grain is increasing.

Indian man: Any time, they can stop it.     

Prabhupäda: You can stop it. (end)